tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6360410252358941163.post3539801640426662571..comments2023-12-09T00:33:24.572-08:00Comments on Novel Matters: Anti-HeroesBonnie Grovehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11377519561074174038noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6360410252358941163.post-65980537016168300352010-07-01T08:14:46.846-07:002010-07-01T08:14:46.846-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6360410252358941163.post-86611914151848709362010-07-01T08:14:41.354-07:002010-07-01T08:14:41.354-07:00Henrietta, thank you for an excellent and thought-...Henrietta, thank you for an excellent and thought-provoking comment. You make an excellent point "... our anti-heroes are endearing for His continual quest to redeem them." I love that. And I love Lord of the Rings. I'm such a fan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6360410252358941163.post-89590793943172800722010-07-01T07:01:39.538-07:002010-07-01T07:01:39.538-07:00There is a spectrum of personality with divine on ...There is a spectrum of personality with divine on one end and purely evil on the other. Every character falls somewhere in between. The hero must have just enough impurity to make him believably human and the anti hero must have a touch of redemption to draw the heart of the reader....and the writer who is profoundly intimate with the character, good or bad. <br /> A society that progressively rejects divinity and nurtures evil makes heroes less welcome and harder to make believable.....and more urgently craved by the human soul. We crave balance even when we reject it. Anti heroes require less and less redemption to draw a following. <br />Christian literature is different because we have a Hero! We have perfection to keep us grounded, anchored to a Greater Reality. Our heroes are endearing for their attempts to be like Him and our anti heroes are endearing for His continual quest to redeem them. <br />Therefore we have Frodo and Striker and even Gollum. <br />We have Edmund too. And Jo in Little Women. All to the Glory of our Beloved Hero.Henrietta Frankenseenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6360410252358941163.post-63175514822015527072010-07-01T06:43:28.098-07:002010-07-01T06:43:28.098-07:00Oh boy! This is great stuff. I'll continue th...Oh boy! This is great stuff. I'll continue the discussion with a post about "dark" central characters tomorrow and I hope you'll all participate. I will be out of Internet range so the other NM ladies will be responding.<br /><br />Also, I never comment on the word verifications but this one is too good to pass up:<br /><br />latedup -- when your menstrual period is past due but you're not sure. . .Latayne C Scottnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6360410252358941163.post-47990467914272553222010-06-30T22:50:09.263-07:002010-06-30T22:50:09.263-07:00Alexandra, you're so right about Michael Crawf...Alexandra, you're so right about Michael Crawford! And I never understood what Christine saw in Raoul. <br />I'm thinking Humphrey Bogart in Casablanca. Wow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6360410252358941163.post-44011021862156086112010-06-30T21:44:40.969-07:002010-06-30T21:44:40.969-07:00Karen, you're absolutely on the right track wh...Karen, you're absolutely on the right track when you say you must get the reader on the side of your anti-hero protag. I'd recommend you select a truly unbiased person to walk with you through this manuscript, who will read it with as little bias as possible, and who will be honest with you if you until you accomplish what you need to with your character.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6360410252358941163.post-64856515281992982482010-06-30T19:54:51.208-07:002010-06-30T19:54:51.208-07:00Reese in Kristen Heitzmann's trilogy (Secrets,...Reese in Kristen Heitzmann's trilogy (Secrets, Unforgotten, Echoes) is a bit of an anti-heroine and is done wonderfully. We are drawn to her uniqueness and root for her to let down, but the main thing is she captures our compassion even when she's unmovable, stubborn. She's kind of like Temperance Brennan (Bones)--she grows on you. I think the only way anti-heroes will work is if they snag our sympathy or empathy. Otherwise we just hate them and can't get into the story. I think it's also important to clue the reader in to the reasons for the character's attitude reasonably early or some of us won't care when the information is finally revealed.Nicolehttp://hopeofglory.typepad.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6360410252358941163.post-72066437892530522022010-06-30T18:41:56.181-07:002010-06-30T18:41:56.181-07:00I don't think I'd come across the term &qu...I don't think I'd come across the term "anti-hero" before. Thanks, Sharon, for teaching me something new!<br /><br />It's interesting, because the women's fiction manuscript I'm working on at the moment has a female protagonist who ends up making increasingly devastating choices that could potentially alienate the reader. I've been very aware that I need to work hard to make her sympathetic to begin with, so that the reader is willing to take her hand and walk alongside her down some fairly dark pathways.<br /><br />It all comes down to motivation. I feel that if I can dig to the root of her motivations and help the reader in some way understand where she's coming from, perhaps they'll stick with her through those unlikable moments and cheer her on toward something better.<br /><br />I wonder if I've unwittingly created an anti-hero?Karen @ a house full of sunshinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17787916466155321686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6360410252358941163.post-53067580662632107942010-06-30T12:40:08.027-07:002010-06-30T12:40:08.027-07:00I recently read "The Gendarme" by Mark T...I recently read "The Gendarme" by Mark T. Mustian, and the main character, Emmet Conn, is a great example of a compelling anti-hero. It helps that the story is told from his perspective as both an old and young man. In that way the reader is given distance from the worst aspects of his character. It was a hard read (in terms of graphic violence) but I longed for him to be a better man so I endured the sadness.<br /><br />And I wonder if the best use of an anti-hero is not to provide a picturesque ending but to leave us with questions and discomfort. To give us an unsettling glimpse into ourselves.Ariel Allison Lawhonhttp://www.shereads.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6360410252358941163.post-89866485385955928162010-06-30T12:39:47.119-07:002010-06-30T12:39:47.119-07:00I am a big fan of the anti-hero. Probably because ...I am a big fan of the anti-hero. Probably because I relate to their flaws a little too well. :) One of my faves is Angel/Sarah from Francine River's Redeeming Love. She hard and cool and often cruel, but we see why and love her all the more.Samantha Bennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15712749844855298929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6360410252358941163.post-61980137140369122232010-06-30T12:05:45.618-07:002010-06-30T12:05:45.618-07:00Anti-heroes/heroines intrigue me. Often, if there&...Anti-heroes/heroines intrigue me. Often, if there's something I strongly dislike in the character, it's because I may see, with a bit of honest self-reflection, a slice of myself. Ouch.<br /><br />And I've found in life that sometimes the gifts don't always appear in the wrapping we expect. That's how I view anti-heroes/heroines in novels.Christa Allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12620389675433700944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6360410252358941163.post-20976527511604543492010-06-30T10:15:47.213-07:002010-06-30T10:15:47.213-07:00Chris: I think one of the most important things we...Chris: I think one of the most important things we can do as readers is give the story and characters a chance to develop over time - let the novel unfold a bit before we make judgments about the characters and how much we liked them. Excellent point - I haven't read River's latest, so I can't comment there.<br /><br />Lynn: I LOVE this: Anti-heroes make a book hard to "get into" for me, but I can't think of a time that the effort hasn't been worth it." THANK you for pointing out that great novels are worth some effort on our part. Sure, we pick up a romance novel, or the latest suspense for a bit of mindless entertainment - that's fine. But meatier reads deserve our digging in and holding on. <br /><br />Alexandra: I will never utter Gerard Butler's name again. Ever. I promise. :)<br /><br />I'd like to add one of modern literature's most enduring anti-hero novels has to be The Godfather. Everyone in that story is an anti-hero in some way, yet the story endures - sticks with us in ways I'm sure the author never thought possible.Bonnie Grovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377519561074174038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6360410252358941163.post-76273677708515074042010-06-30T08:06:46.992-07:002010-06-30T08:06:46.992-07:00My very favorite anti-hero is The Phantom of the O...My very favorite anti-hero is The Phantom of the Opera (Michael Crawford *only*, puleeze!!! Do not mention Gerard Butler if you value your life. ;-)). Just amazing, amazing character. Despite his glaring flaws, you feel for him deeply.<br /><br />Anti-heroes usually stick with you the longest because they're real, just like normal people. They're anti-hero because of deep emotional scars, and their journey from beginning to end of the story is very deep, which resonates with people. <br /><br />That's my two cents.Alexandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17437117457544744702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6360410252358941163.post-66925577640000340412010-06-30T06:33:02.476-07:002010-06-30T06:33:02.476-07:00Anti-heroes make a book hard to "get into&quo...Anti-heroes make a book hard to "get into" for me, but I can't think of a time that the effort hasn't been worth it. They appeal to my desire to see justice served through natural consequences or to see God change even the most difficult cases.<br /><br />The example of an anti-hero that came to my mind first is the crotchity little man in the movie, UP. Powerful stuff.Lynn Deanhttp://www.aNOVELWritingSite.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6360410252358941163.post-89587454456782640782010-06-30T06:31:15.553-07:002010-06-30T06:31:15.553-07:00Chris, thank you for your outstanding comment. I l...Chris, thank you for your outstanding comment. I love what you said: "Perfect people have nothing to learn about themselves." Exactly why I love to read fiction that takes a deeper look at the human condition. Because that's me. And, wow, do I have a lot to learn.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6360410252358941163.post-8832567077016606362010-06-30T06:16:44.922-07:002010-06-30T06:16:44.922-07:00I love anti-heroes/heroines. They are so much mor...I love anti-heroes/heroines. They are so much more like "real" life than the perfect people you find in some novels. I think one of the most recent anti heroes I have read is actually in Her Mother's Hope by Francine Rivers. The Charater of Marta is very very difficult to like. She is very prickly and the way she treats one of her children is very difficult to like. But as the story goes one and we are allowed into more of her story I begin to understand her. <br />That my be why they are my favorites. Perfect people have nothing to learn about themselves. It is all "perfect" and they don't need to change. But anti-heroes do and so do I.Chris Jager - Baker Book House-fiction buyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04070215521212726907noreply@blogger.com